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Heinz Doofenshertz
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:30:00 -
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UPDATE: with open Beta, we are now in full release mode, WOOT
Hey guys, I'm here today to introduce something I've been working on for the Dust514 Community: Dust514stats. Now that we've finished up with some initial closed testing we are looking to release it to the wider beta community.
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Just what is Dust514stats? DUST514stats is built to help the community by providing both statistics tracking, and a deeper look into the statistics themselves. The site works by tracking member's characters kills, deaths and warpoints over time. Using these numbers, the site offers two new statistics; a Support Ratio, a simple comparison of war points generated for things other than kills to those generated by kills; and a Combo Score. This score is a combination of statistics which are run thru various formulas to derive a statistic that reflects better the game play of Dust514 as not just a shooter, but a squad based game. The Combo score, while complex in generation, is rather simple. We consider anything higher than .7 to be a good score with 2 being the very top of the range, though very rare. Beyond these new statistics, we have a progression graphs, and a leader board allowing you to track yourself and see where you rank against others with our scores.
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We are also implementing a system to help corporations and players to find each other. Corporations can have members register as Recruiters. Recruiters can then contact other players who have set their Mercenary's as recruitable via their profiles, but without the player needing to expose any contact details to the recruiter.-á We're also looking to use the API for DUST to be able to automatically update your statistics (as opposed to the current manual updates), but this isn't available from CCP yet.
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http://www.dust514stats.com
We also now have a mobile site for updates once you have created an account and created a character. it's still very rough but we are working on it. www.dust514stats.com/mobile.cfm
Anyway, have a go, and send me a message at [email protected] if you have any problems, suggestions or other feedback.
I would like to thank Grideris for help with this write up, as I am not always the best writer.
Update: We have updated the formulation to include the Win loss ratio CCP has provided us, sorry for the delay in adding it, as it took time to adjust the formulation.
Additional Update: We have added a new stat, this one at this time, will not be added to the leader boards. It is your support points per death. it is an average of the number of support points you earn per death in a match. Remember every time you die, you give away 50 points ;)
More Updates: Corp Section has been made live, we have reconfigured alot of things, including your ability to pledge alligence to your corp. if your a corp CEO and want you corp included email us at [email protected] with 2 web safe hexcode colors one light one dark and a logo 100x100 that would be able to pass the ccp rules laid out here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alliance_logo_submission_process
Further Updates: Completely rewrote the entire back end of the site for characters. if you find any errors please let me know. but it should be functioning. We have added avatars so now you can add a pic to your merc. and we continue to work on various other features. We did have to do a complete wipe of all Character information for this update, but should any more wipes become nessisary we have a way to do so without deleting characters, and have improved backend functionality for when we get the api. |
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:40:00 -
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tanking is accounted for sir
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:05:00 -
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no the dust api is not up yet, we are using manual insertion, however the data is monitored for abberations.
Kills and Deaths are used as part messures, because they are one of the few data points we have at the moment. more data points will be added as they given to us.
Bug reports have been received and will be processed as soon as possible, thank you for inclusion of the error code. |
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:27:00 -
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I am sorry, but I am unable to comply with that request |
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:41:00 -
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I'm sorry you feel this way, but as it has taken along time to create these statistics, giving them away would be detrimental. I hope that in the future we can provide some assistance to you in other ways. |
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Posted - 2012.09.09 16:52:00 -
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Yes 0 WP would return an error as if you have played a game you would have war points of some kind. and for the formulas to be run it can not be 0.
As to the combo ratio, it is a number generated by combining and weighing about 9 different statistics derived from those provided.over the course of the last 4 months me and several others have developed this number with the help of many other people, and numbers pulled from the Leaderboards in game. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:18:00 -
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Th3rdSun I am sorry your post about KDR was lost. I understand that alot of people do not like KDR as a statistic, as most people think it has to be insanely high or your rubbish. I Disagree with this thought process, which is why the stats on my site were developed. However, ignoring a statistic, no matter how hated, in trying to analyze someones ability can not be done. However it is not the end all be all, the support ratio we have shows your ratio of helping you team, captures, spawns, assists, ect. vs your kills, so even if you only get a few kills, but score a ton of support points, your support ratio is going to be very high, showing the world your a great logibro.
I encourage people to expand their understanding of what statistics can mean. and not just stop at how many people they can kill. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 04:59:00 -
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Thank you |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 09:55:00 -
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Thank you for the support |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 12:29:00 -
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Parson, yes we understand that section of the war point system, I have been in the beta a very long time. And yes Support is currently defined as any action which would result in war points except for those gained by kills. and yes we only use 50 for kills, because following your command orders would be considered supporting your team. this probably will change once we have access to the API and can seperate the War points gained from different sources, if that information is included and tracked. I do have training and experience in statistics creation and analysis, as do some of the others who help craft these formula.
Zekain Kade, High KDR does not always mean high WP, SP, or ISK just as High SP, WP, or ISK does not means your KDR is high. That is improper assumption of the statistics. |
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:57:00 -
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Again, you get Support points from more things than hacking, drop a nano hive and resupply others, drop a uplink and let people spawn in, kill assists, repping people, reviving people, blowing up LAV/HAV/Dropships, and Following squad orders. there are plenty of opportunities in both game types to get non kill warpoints. However, no one is forcing anyone to use these stats, or the site, I'm putting it out there to help the community. It's is up to the community on how they use it, atm about 75% of the features are ones requested by members of the community. if you have an idea you think I should add to the site feel free to email me at the address provided in the OP |
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Posted - 2012.09.11 05:09:00 -
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Hope you enjoy it sir. |
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Posted - 2012.09.11 08:18:00 -
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we are happy your happy |
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Posted - 2012.09.12 05:31:00 -
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sadly when the wipe comes, I'm gonna dump the data I have, and then wipe the current chars. then I will sift thru all the data and do some statistics, and we all start over at 0. Once the game goes live, well yeah it's live and unless something goes sideways there won't be any wipes of data. |
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Posted - 2012.09.14 06:54:00 -
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your welcome, the other reason for the wipe, as stated above is so I can do one last fine tune of the formulas before live, and make sure that they are functioning properly.
I hope you are all enjoying the tool, and if you have any suggestions or requests please let me know. |
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Posted - 2012.09.14 07:09:00 -
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We are working hard to make sure this site is future capable. |
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Posted - 2012.09.18 17:16:00 -
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I should be able to comply with that. and yes, I'm already working on api systems, using the current eve api system as a testbed. |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:22:00 -
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I'm sorry you can't find your self, have you tried adding your data? |
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:40:00 -
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actually what is happening is both the focus and the direction are changed with the same click, so if with the list inverted you click a different set it will revert for that list. it's a feature I will talk with my coder about. |
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Posted - 2012.09.20 07:04:00 -
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I'm sorry tony, but I am still not releasing the formula. I feel we have properly taken tanks into account, but yes as more data is avalible it will be used. I would hope you would get something out of the site now if for nothing else then the tracking over you stats over time, even if you disagree with them |
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Posted - 2012.09.25 08:57:00 -
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Just a quick Update, we have seperated the KDR graph from the other scores, as this was causing some issues for those with really high KDR, and have begun code refinement to allow corporations to have their own look within the site. I would once again like to say thank you to everyone is helping to test the site. and we hope that it helps you in the future. |
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Posted - 2012.09.25 12:21:00 -
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it's not that we are discounting tankers, or anyone else, however, the formula takes them into account so that everyone, no matter the play style can be judged with the same numbers. If you look at the leaderboard, you will find tankers at the top, in the middle and at the bottom, same as logibros, snipers, and heavies. |
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Posted - 2012.09.30 05:31:00 -
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Thank you for your support and yes it looks like the Wipe will occur on monday morning, I will also be doing a stat wipe and have sent a message to all users about this. if you wish to get your final scores in and copy them down please do so before DT on monday, as I am not sure when monday morning I will be doing the updates.
Have a great final weekend for this build and a Great time in the new build. |
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Posted - 2012.10.02 03:02:00 -
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The Site is now back live, with an updated Formula and a new section that we are working on, the ability for corps to appoint recruiters and be able to send recruitment messages to players who have said their mercs are recruitable, without having to give out contact information. this feature is live on the char side, but not on the recruiter side as that is being worked on.
We will be sending out an Email letting everyone know the site is back active, and waiting for them. |
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Posted - 2012.10.03 14:51:00 -
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After a few requests from folks, we have added a mobile site to the site, it's very rough, and still needs work, but I figured I'd let you guys use it if you want. It is very no frills, and can only update exsisting characters. Anyway heres the site link
www.dust514stats.com/mobile.cfm |
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:57:00 -
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we aim to please.
work will continue over the next week to improve the mobile site.
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:37:00 -
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thank you, I hope you enjoy your stay :) |
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Posted - 2012.10.05 03:38:00 -
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I have updated the main post to include the link for the mobile site, and we have updated the mobile code so it displays a bit better. please forgive me for the roughness of it, as coding for mobile devices is new to me. |
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Posted - 2012.10.06 21:03:00 -
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As a note, please do not add corporation stats to the site, at this time we are not setup for corps |
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Posted - 2012.10.16 06:20:00 -
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Just a quick update for all our users, and everyone else, we have updated the data entry to include the Win loss ratio CCP has provided. We do appologize for the delay in including it, but we needed to run alot of data thru the system to make sure the new version of the formula is balanced. Thank you all for your continued support. |
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Posted - 2012.10.16 07:10:00 -
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Looks like I forgot to upload one of the files, sorry bout that it is fixed now. |
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Posted - 2012.10.21 22:20:00 -
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Just wanted to let everyone know we Have added a new stat to the site, Support Points Per Death. It's pretty self explanitory it is the average number of support points you earn for every time you die. at this time we do not intend on adding this to the leaderboard, if you think we should let us know. |
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Posted - 2012.10.31 09:19:00 -
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Just wanted to let everyone know we are working on some layout changes. not sure when they will be finished but do not be alarmed if the site looks different every so often |
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Posted - 2012.12.16 10:18:00 -
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I know Cross, I welcome the new stats.
Axis, can you ellaborate on what you dislike about the site, otherwise how can I address it :)
As a bit of an update. I have added a new option for recruiters, but that will be left to an email to the to expound on. I am also working on the corp section for the site. for the time being only the admin will be able to add corps or update their stats until we have a way of ensuring that only ceo's have the ability to add or update their corps so that we can ensure data authenticity.
Again if you have any problems, questions, suggestions please email me. If your a ceo and want a custom color set for the site for you corp, or want someone to be able to act as a recruiter for you, send an email to [email protected] Understand that I do have to limit these options to ceo's only as they are the only people we can verify without access to the api. |
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Posted - 2012.12.20 11:10:00 -
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WOOT, Just wanted to let everyone know that after a very long week of coding we have re-written alot of the site, expanded the corp section, and updated the alligence ability of all our users. if your corp is in our database you can select it and have a color set picked by your corp leaders as well as your corp logo at the top of the page. to change this simply go to the edit my account page off the dropdown from your user name. if your corp isn't on the list poke your corp ceo and have him send a mail with the following: 2 web safe hex code colors one light one dark, and a 100x100 pixel logo that will pass the rules set forth by ccp here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Alliance_logo_submission_process to [email protected] we do have to limit this to corp ceo's as this information needs to be verified in game so that someone doesn't hyjack your corp and do something not nice to the colors.
Again at this time updates to corp stats will be done by our admin staff to make sure all corp data is updated properly and ensure that the data is correct. once we get API access these will become automatic and released to the director or ceo's of the corps.
Have a great day and a merry Christmas. |
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Posted - 2013.01.11 07:30:00 -
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Another Update, We have done a full Wipe of all Characters as well as a data wipe for Corps. We have re-writen the entire back end of the site for Characters to make in function better. I updated the OP to reflect some of the changes made. as always if you have any issues let me know, and may all your battles be profitable |
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:30:00 -
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quick update the mobile version of the site has been reactivated. it can be accessed at www.dust514stats.com/mobile.cfm
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Posted - 2013.01.23 03:28:00 -
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We are now Live |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 12:21:00 -
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This is not an error. |
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Posted - 2013.01.23 13:48:00 -
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I will look into this as soon as I can
EDIT: should be fixed now |
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Posted - 2013.01.30 20:04:00 -
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The only stat that I have not said how it's calculated is the Combo score, which I will not be revealing sorry. |
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Posted - 2013.02.09 08:42:00 -
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I pay alot to keep it safe, I have 4 corps guarding it :)
I have a few small updates posted today, the Leaderboards are now outward facing, been meaning to do this since the NDA dropped, but had not. it's done, I also added the timestmap to the leaderboards for when that merc was last updated, so you can shame your friends and enemies into updating :P and I am tracking two new stats in the background to see how they play out before I make them public. the first is deathpoints, it's just what it sounds like the base points you have given away for your deaths, the second is a refactor of the support per death into a ratio, so new and old at the same time, but can be used for other things more easily MWAHAHAHAHAHA.
also I entered into the fansite skirmish, though I don't think I qualify, as you guys provide the content not me, But hey maybe I can win, a outside the box prize :P
Thanks again for the support. |
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Posted - 2013.02.11 09:34:00 -
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Added 2 more stats and displayed 4 of the new ones you guys weren't getting yet.
so go and Update, see the new stats, let me know what you think |
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Posted - 2013.02.17 09:47:00 -
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ETA on Crest Implimitation is Soon(tm)
Probably not going to drop the account requirement fully, as it's a barrier to spam merc additions, gives me a way to contact all my users, and ensures the only one who can update your merc is you.
So for an Update about the site, I have posted a inital release of the ability to see which mercs are from which corps, this is a very rough page still, as it is not liking me right now, but it lists the names of those who have said they are members of that corp.
If you know some of your members are on the site, but not listed for your corp, poke them to update their account with your corp as their selected empire. |
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